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November 6:  US  Presidential election ....and voting for many other offices ....and issues.   e.g.
In Minnesota, a marriage amendment will be on the statewide Nov. 6 ballot.  If approved by a majority of those voting, 
it would amend the state Constitution to say that marriage can only be a union of one man and one woman. State law already forbids gay marriage.

Basic to the same-sex marriage issue, but rarely discussed,  is the topic of anal sex. 
Reports below, by doctors, are essential reading for an honest understanding of this issue

2012-08-29   Same-sex marriage and anal sex  

Previous articles 
  Aug 26 Comment re Minnesota Video 
  Aug 27  Minnesota Video Background
   Aug 4  What do you think of same-sex marriage?

 New post  - from Anon in USA 
    
(with response from John W, below) 

John, about your question that "no one wants to talk about," I've been hesitant to comment because I don't think that explicit sexual mechanical discussion is something I want to be involved in on the net. But, I will say this: if you google various medical websites in the states, you will find out what needs to be done to make a variety of different types of sexual expression safe. Also, it is important to realize that there are many kinds of sexual expression and that folks who are gay or straight often use many different kinds. 

Secondly, a comment you made previously is that Frances (MacNutt) thinks that the psychiatric and psychological associations "folded" on considering gay relationships a disorder and instead just one of God's many variations due to an activist lobby. John, one person's activist lobby is another person's "let's raise our voices together about this thing that is important to us." I would say that making the assumption that an activist lobby bowled over the psychiatric and psychological professions in terms of both their standards and their common practice assumes that 1) the professionals cannot think for themselves, or 2) they have no character 3) or they have no backbone. 

As a straight person, I understand that the area of gay relationships can take a lot of getting used to. Many, many, many of us have been socialized against it, especially, if I can say so, older men (I'm speaking of what I see in the states). Rather than focusing on the mechanics of sexual expression (which I must say, and I don't mean to be offensive) the Catholic hierarchy tends to do, I say, again, get to know gay people. As you get to know them, ask them how safe and meaningful sexual expression works for them and how it fits into their relationships. I don't mean to preach, but Jesus got to know people, and not getting to deeply know people when we have a question about a group, is not, in my opinion loving. Getting to know them is the FIRST thing we owe them.
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Response from John W:

Dear Anon, yes, you are absolutely right...we should get to know people first, like Jesus.  At my Hong Kong Sunday night gatherings for ex-inmates, there are several gay people.....no big deal....they know they are warmly welcome and will not be discriminated against in any way...which is why they keep coming each week

As regards the health/safety issues of anal sex, 
see this report by a doctor (not pleasant reading, but needs to known)

HIV & syphilis rates for MSM:    Report No. 1    Report No. 2    Report No. 3

New post by Anon:    Sharing below is very powerful....a lot of food for thought

"We have work to do"  August 15 address by Joe Kruse in Minnesota
Video report of same address   See also this article


This young man spoke at a gathering in Minneapolis, Minnesota of about 500 Catholics on marriage equality. 

After reading hearing his talk, I asked my 20-year-old daughter,  who attends an excellent Jesuit University, if she feels the same way as this young man. She is very bright ("A" average in bio chemistry), thoughtful, and balanced. 

She said that she has felt ashamed of being Catholic for a long time, that when she tells people she's Catholic, there's a stigma attached. And that she feels the need to defend the 1,000,000's of Catholics who are doing good. She said, "They just don't know the Jesuits, or the work you do for good, mom." I asked her what makes her feel ashamed, and I thought she'd say the sex abuse scandal (which made me feel ashamed), and she said, "It's not Catholics in general. It's the hierarchy which is a bunch of old, white men who haven't kept up with anything. It's like people think you're stupid to belong." 

One of the great disappointments of my life is that we worked so hard (and paid so much money) to try to pass our tradition along to our three children: Catholic grade school, high school, and college. Mass every Sunday. An active Catholic family. But the tradition just does not speak to them. I had been willing to compromise on women not being ordained, but my two daughters will likely not do that. The Pew Center says that we have the highest rate of not passing our tradition along to our children (other than the Hispanic population). Other mainline traditions are struggling with this, too, but ours is struggling the most, here in the U.S. And, in the last now the last year(s), the church in the U.S. is so strident and off putting, almost actively pushing people away, and turning on itself as it has in its treatment of the nuns. One wonders how ill an organization would have to be to hurt its own members like that.

This stridency and hurtfulness has sent me to the fringes of the church, where I have found the real action and love are. What is happening in the independent Catholic communities, our local Catholic Coalition for Church Reform, and Catholics for Marriage Equality, etc., is simply beautiful to behold. There is so much joy and so much love. My friend, who was trained as a spiritual lay leader says, this is The Living Word. See our local Catholic Coalition for Church Reform's website,  and the activities on the right-hand side -- note that, among other things, Joan Chittister is coming to speak to us! Also, note their blog which is excellent:  And, in Minneapolis, we have four of the RCC women priests (out of the 100 to 150 in the world). None of it is perfect, but it is cool, exciting, and loving, and boy, that is the place to be. (And, heck, maybe someday my kids will even like it. :) )

2013-03-08: Born that way? (with many comments...)

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